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In their post-interview discussion, The Rest is Politics hosts agree with Kate Rowarth about the problems, and they're clearly trying to understand the message of Doughnut Economics. But they can't see past the false dichotomy of #growth vs. recession. The main political problems identified as "recession" are not caused by lack of growth. Food shortages are caused by lack of growth. But it doesn't cause unaffordable food prices, when there's more than enough food to go around.