Anyone know anything about the history of the Participatory Culture Foundation?
It would be intriguing to discuss why they couldn't achieve their founding aspirations with their early free code projects; Downhill Battle, Broadcast Machine, Democracy Player/ Miro, VideoBomb? As well as what is similar and different about the PeerTube project:
They did the right projects, the wrong way for years. We (#visionontv) used each of there projects intill they were shut down when the project core foundation funding run out leaveing non community supported spaghetti code that then failed. Next funding round, next right project but enevertly shifted to #NGO funding agender to fail.
Do you mean Framasoft? They seem to fund their projects more by crowdfunding than grant writing.
> Personally I feel we need a bit of both.
Agreed, but @Hamishcampbell and I have distinct memories form our #Indymedia days of the problems that can come with too much dependence on grant-giving organizations, particularly the way their agendas can band and distort the direction of projects and developer groups over time.
I think there's a danger of that with any funding. There's a huge difference between crowd funding for things like OTW and decentralised projects/independent media projects. But commercial fund raising/seeking VC funding can put your project really far away from goals as well. I've also had a project where the agenda of someone else derailed the project before funding even happened. Plus when I was younger I was alot more trusting.
@strypey they have the same feeling as #PCF had in its role in the #openweb rember it was not that the tech was bad, it was good, it was the thinking on sustanabilerty and process that had rot at its core. I don't know anufe about Framasoft to have a view. I like #peertube though it has youtube copy limitations that sniff of rot.
In a tour of the USA coast to coast of tech/alt media in there high time I visited them in there office and homes in Wooster. Nice people, but #fashernista radical lifestyle vs committed political action.
@strypey could talk about each of there projects/tech as we used them all over the years, with #offlinetv and #visionontv we were on the same mission on europen side of the atlantic... at the time we had come out of the foundation/#NGO funding root that was failing at #undercurrents and were trying the grassroots non funded root - the #indymedia modale.
We ended up using their "shiny" tech agen and agen as we did not get traction on our non "shiny" #openweb tech. teach time there tech would fail we had little choice but to jump to there next tech worst tech project.
Not having any alt-tech media tools to work with, and the grassroots root failed, we went back to the foundation funding to try and do this root better. We raise over £120,000 to build out the #visionontv project to combat the "shine" of the #failbook and the lure of the #dotcons.
Possiblely with the "shine" going off the #dotcons this time it might grow to build a good #openweb outcome... lets see if we can avoid the obvious failers of the past this time... the grassroost aproch has worked twice in the past with the WWW and indymedia.
not even heard of one of their projects, OTOH PeerTube has developed well alongside the Fediverse and I've read a lot about it in both English and French since joining fedi in 2017, and used various instances.
PeerTube still needs work, it does at least deliver videos (with the bonus that you can download them for later watching), I think it is very valuable for educational content (even if it lacks "features" more associated with use of video for entertainment) >>
I don't think PeerTube will (yet) rival Youtube etc as it doesn't attract the young people who think they have a chance at stardom *and* ad revenue, but that may be an advantage rather than a setback.
PeerTube does reminds me of "schools TV" that the teacher would record onto videotape and play back in class at a later time whilst we watched a large screen TV set, a system which worked well in my younger days (those of us who are of a certain age may remember this 😉 )
> Had not heard of them.
> not even heard of one of their projects
This is precisely my point. Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it. PCF were most active in the early 2000s, immediately post-Napster. They had a very similar vision to PeerTube and even used vaguely similar tech; BitTorrent + RSS in their case rather than WebTorrent and ActivityPub. I think it's important to know why such early efforts foundered.
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