Hey netizens, please, *please* stop doing unpaid marketing work for YouTube by embedding their videos on your websites. I understand continuing to upload videos there to reach the large audience that already use it, but that doesn't mean you have to link to them. If you also upload your videos on a instance, or some other more independent video host, and embed those on your sites, you can help to grow the audience for ethical video hosting networks.
instances.joinpeertube.org/

@strypey Another option: host the videos yourself.

It doesn't have to be complicated, just put the file on your server and link to it with a <video controls> tag.

@alcinnz
> on your server

I don't have a server. Most net users don't have a server. If publishing text on the web, let alone video, required having a server, the net would still be a niche medium for geeks like it was in the early 90s.

@strypey Well, I was assuming that if you had a website you had *some sort of* server you could upload media to...

And how I wish browsers built in one of those peer-to-peer DHT protocols? That'd partially adress the need for a server, though you'd still need one for reliability.

@alcinnz
> I was assuming that if you had a website you had *some sort of* server you could upload media to

Fair point. But most net users don't have a website on their own server. They use some kind of third-party service like Wix or Squarespace, for the same reasons they upload video to YouTube; a) they can't afford the hosting fees, and b) they don't have the skills to admin their own server. This is why I'm suggesting replacement web services. It's accessible to anyone.

@strypey Wix & Squarespace can't host videos?

Wouldn't be the first time Wix surprised me...

@alcinnz
> Wix & Squarespace can't host videos?

Not on the gratis plan. Maybe on some of the more expensive paid plans. Again, there's a reason people use YouTube (or Vimeo or other corporate datafarms).

@strypey @alcinnz
In my experience, people host videos on YouTube or Vimeo because even a small number of hits will eat into your data (bandwidth) allowance in no time. A 100k webpage versus 100MB video makes a huge difference.

@fitheach And a habit of recording video and putting it on your server means a further step from hosted to virtual server rental to having a physical server with some hardcore raid setup I don't understand. I administer servers now (mostly rental, one a community favour), but video storage is impractical on all of them.

@strypey @alcinnz

@krozruch
Even the cheapest VPS offers, often come with 20GB. That potentially could be a lot of videos. That wouldn't be the problem. If you had some popular videos your cheap VPS probably couldn't support the requests, and your bandwidth would be gone in no time.

@strypey @alcinnz

@fitheach @krozruch @strypey And still there's ways around that bandwidth problem, primarily BitTorrent. How I hate how much that's been villified?

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@alcinnz ... which brings up back to PeerTube, which uses WebTorrent, which uses BitTorrent, and which non-geek webmasters can use to upload their videos to existing instances and embed those on their sites, which is a solution that is accessible to people *now* ;)
@fitheach @krozruch

@strypey
... and it's as slow as treacle. I'll grant you, I've not watched that many videos from PeerTube, but they have all stuttered or stopped. Sorry, that is just the truth.

I'm not on some superfast fibre broadband, but then not all users are. I rarely, if ever, had problems with YT or Vimeo, for example.

@alcinnz @krozruch

@fitheach @krozruch @alcinnz @strypey

bit torrent can stream HD video just fine. if there's a problem with peertube its that servers don't do enough proactive seeding to help keep the swarms healthy.

if you want proof download webtorrent.io and grab a popular video torrent from somewhere.

@xj9 @krozruch @alcinnz @strypey @fitheach > if there's a problem with peertube its that servers don't do enough proactive seeding to help keep the swarms healthy

Yeah, that's exactly the issue, and yes, it happens. People usually can't spend that much on servers and it's extremely rare to have viewers constantly seeding every video you upload.

@espectalll the other problem is the disconnect between and swarms. Ideally, people could share bandwidth with PeerTube instances from home by downloading PT videos using a normal BT client and seeding them. But it doesn't seem to work this way.
@xj9 @krozruch @alcinnz @fitheach

@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @krozruch @espectalll

yeah you need a hybrid client for that. web browser peers can only speak the web rtc protocol so they can only peer with mainline torrent clients indirectly through these hybrid peers.

@fitheach
> I've not watched that many videos from PeerTube, but they have all stuttered or stopped.

When did you last try it? I had that experience early on and reported it in a number of issues of their code forge. The last few times I remember trying it, it was pretty good. I guess YMMV depending on the power of the server hosting a particular video. Swarm effects only kick in when a number of users are watching the same video on the same instance at once.

@alcinnz @krozruch @xj9

@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @xj9 It has improved to some degree but I have a good connection. I have rarely, if ever, watched a video anyone else is watching, but I upload to it and embed and though I hear there was little in the way of moderation tools early on, I have seen it improve so there's reason for hope.

@strypey
I watched a few this week, albeit only the first 5 minutes as I decided they weren't for me.

Since my self-imposed abstinence from everything Google I might even have more motivation to watch stuff on PeerTube(s). However, my viewing tends to be driven by particular needs (news, for example) rather than looking for something to pass the time. For my needs the PTs don't have the desired content.

@krozruch @alcinnz @xj9

@fitheach @strypey @alcinnz @xj9 It's in want of curation, for sure. I hit on something here and there and showed a couple of things to my advanced English students. They liked this, for example: betamax.video/videos/watch/4b6

@krozruch advanced searching and sorting tools that put the user in charge, rather than opaque algorithms, needs to be a major area of research for the fediverse as a whole. Especially as and other such apps start federating and adding even more multimedia content to the network.
@fitheach @alcinnz @xj9

@fitheach thanks for the tip, I've been wanting something like that for a while. I note the irony of a centralized search portal for a federated network, but then I guess the web itself is a federated network so Goggle et al are similarly ironic ;)
@GidiKroon @krozruch @alcinnz @xj9

@strypey
The Fediverse, in general, could do with a meta search engine. Mastodon's Web UI has a great search facility for *my* own posts, but finding other people's posts is impossible. Something like that PeerTube search for text would encourage a lot more interaction *within* the Fediverse.

@GidiKroon @krozruch @alcinnz @xj9

@fitheach @strypey search on Mastodon is restricted on purpose to stuff you have a relation to. This is an anti-harassment feature. People would frown upon an index for posts. (Though I seem to recall one existed at some point)

As an alternative you could use the search features of the Mastodon UI on a Pleroma server, this gives all locally known results. Useful, especially if the server is connected to a good relay.

@GidiKroon
> This is an anti-harassment feature.

Which is ludicrous, given that, as you say, the instructions for getting around it are:
1) don't use Mastodon.

So it's 0% effective at stopping harassment. But really effective at stopping non-geek Mastodon users searching the federation for vegan recipes or photos of cats or whatnot. The only reason the text search feature got rolled back was Gargron getting dogpiled by an army of overly sensitive, narcissistic control freaks.

@fitheach

@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @xj9 I keep meaning to look into FunkWhale. I saw they have been moving towards podcasts. I'm looking into embedding a lot of this stuff in a Flask application. Ideally, I would show YouTube etc with a privacy [etc.] warning but prefer PeerTube (configured on a user-by-user basis) or archive.org video.

@strypey @krozruch @fitheach @xj9 If you feel need to link to any videos on YouTube, I recommend linking to those same videos on PeerTube instead. It's independant frontend that offers such (to me necessities) as downloads and webfeeds, at least it did last I checked.

@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @xj9 I think my girlfriend watched The Internet's Own Boy on it months ago. She's allergic to all things Linux (anything clunky and un-slick counts) but managed fine. Too early to say YouTube's days are numbered etc. but people could be converted slowly and, yes, by not embedding that horrible Googly crap to return to the original point.

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