2.0 has been released! The UI has been majorly revamped and some of the underlying tech has been swapped out, meaning that the performance of the site will be better, especially on older devices:

I hear that native mobile apps based on the new UI are on the way too ...

"Whether you’re searching for a thread, comment, or member, search has never been so powerful. Search can now highlight content from within threads and comments, even partial matches!"

This has been on my wishlist for Loomio for years ;)

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2.0 still has a few little bugs to squash. If you find any, please report in the relevant thread on the Loomio Community group. The performance improvement hasn't really manifested yet. Looking forward to testing the mobile app when it becomes available.

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@strypey I wonder if they support RankedPairs or STV :P

@Wolf480pl it's not election software. It's decision-making software for groups. There are a whole range of ways to put up proposals and polls, some of which are described in the linked blog post.

Ok, but social choice functions are good for voting on any kind of alternatives, not just electing representatives.

Of course, it's better to arrive at consensus by means of arguments, but that's not always possible.

I thought that since they have score voting in polls, they're probably already using some vote counting method like Borda, and if so, why not implement a few state-of-the-art ones?

> Of course, it's better to arrive at consensus by means of arguments, but that's not always possible.

The difference is one of both scale and common interest. At the scale of a country - or even a neighbourhood where people are there because they bought or rented a house there - people are forced to make decisions together about things that affect them all, despite having nothing at all in common. All election systems are engineered for this.

@Wolf480pl In groups, on the other hand, the members are usually in the group because they share some common goals or values. Those are usually defined in some kind of document like a charter or a manifesto that members opt-in to when they join, and provide something beyond the self-interest of each member to ground consensus discussion in. What groups need is coordination tools, not tools that force them to cooperate in their own *collective* interests (ie elections).

@strypey Very good point.
However, different group members can have different ideas of what the group's priorities should be. Rarely do you ever see manifestos with explicit ordering saying that point 1 of manifesto is more important than point 2.

@Wolf480pl true, there's always room for disagreement whenever there are humans involved. This is called politics 😏 But another big difference is that in most cases it's much easier to leave a group than to leave your neighbourhood or your country. So if the members care about advancing the group's goals, they will debate to reach understanding so the group doesn't collapse, rather than debating to "win" over a perceived Other.

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