Just found this opensource.com article about Greenpeace becoming an 'open source' organisation. Quite ironic, since a few months ago I met one of their principal IT managers, who openly mocked our efforts to use #foss and #opensource IT in-house. Greenpeace relies 100% on Google's Gsuite. Any comparison with fair trade coffee was met with a "yeah but this is easier, we just don't care about Google's dubious side."

opensource.com/open-organizati

@Gina the author of that piece is part of a co-op with "open" in the name but their daily driver for collaboration is a Slack channel :/ It's not like there aren't free code alternatives, both hosted and self-hostable:
coactivate.org/projects/disint

@strypey @Gina I work for a company who's product is free software, but internally we use Slack for communication too. It's very sad, but the reason for using it is that we *don't* want it self hosted. We operate our own infra, and if it ever goes down, it'd be highly inconvenient if our main form of communication would go down with it.

There'd still be better alternatives, I'm sure, though I haven't tried looking around yet.

@tyil @strypey wouldn't outside hosting solve that problem?

(Although a hosted SaaS product might be easier and cheaper in that case)

@Gina @strypey That would move the problem, and increase complexity for me. Suddenly I have to keep track of a number of VPSes that aren't maintained like the rest of them. It's just not worth the added effort and complexity.

@tyil what about just using a SaaSS that uses free code under the hood, instead of ? Something like:
* .im - gratis, owned and hosted by
* - free for personal use, with extended features for paying enterprise users.
* - gratis hosting for free code and open source projects
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@clacke ooh, good question. When GitLab acquired Gitter they said:

> we will open source the whole of Gitter
about.gitlab.com/blog/2017/03/

It's important to hold them to that. Their repos are here:
gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter

It seems like code for all the user apps is available under free licenses, but I'm not sure if the other repos there constitute the full backend yet or not.

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