Just found this opensource.com article about Greenpeace becoming an 'open source' organisation. Quite ironic, since a few months ago I met one of their principal IT managers, who openly mocked our efforts to use #foss and #opensource IT in-house. Greenpeace relies 100% on Google's Gsuite. Any comparison with fair trade coffee was met with a "yeah but this is easier, we just don't care about Google's dubious side."


@Gina the author of that piece is part of a co-op with "open" in the name but their daily driver for collaboration is a Slack channel :/ It's not like there aren't free code alternatives, both hosted and self-hostable:

@strypey @Gina I work for a company who's product is free software, but internally we use Slack for communication too. It's very sad, but the reason for using it is that we *don't* want it self hosted. We operate our own infra, and if it ever goes down, it'd be highly inconvenient if our main form of communication would go down with it.

There'd still be better alternatives, I'm sure, though I haven't tried looking around yet.

@tyil @strypey wouldn't outside hosting solve that problem?

(Although a hosted SaaS product might be easier and cheaper in that case)

@Gina @strypey That would move the problem, and increase complexity for me. Suddenly I have to keep track of a number of VPSes that aren't maintained like the rest of them. It's just not worth the added effort and complexity.

@tyil what about just using a SaaSS that uses free code under the hood, instead of ? Something like:
* .im - gratis, owned and hosted by
* - free for personal use, with extended features for paying enterprise users.
* - gratis hosting for free code and open source projects

@strypey @Gina I think a big factor in choosing Slack is that everybody knows it, so nobody needs to be taught to use it. I'd personally like to see alternatives based on free software, but I doubt I'll be able to convince the boss to hop over to an alternative, now that the entire company is using this already.

One benefit I personally see in Slack is that I can use it with my favourite terminal chat client, WeeChat. I know gitter.im should also work in that regard, but Wire and Zulip both don't have integration with WeeChat as far as I know.

We do use GitLab for our code repositories and CI right now, so perhaps Gitter would be a possibility, but I'd have to make a strategy in how to nudge people towards it first, and that will take time.

> everybody knows it, so nobody needs to be taught to use it.

Classic problem ;) The only way out is for some brave and forward-looking users and orgs to lead the charge.

> I'd have to make a strategy in how to nudge people towards it first, and that will take time.

Of course. The longest journey starts with a single step :)

@strypey @Gina Convincing the developers is going to be very easy, but getting the rest of the company on board is the hard part.

Consultants aren't very technical, and they like their shiny mobile apps. And there's many others of varying technical skill levels.

It's at least worth a shot, though.
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