If anyone knows #Go and is looking for a project to help out with, Go-based #Signal protocol implementation library and a native #SailfishOS Signal client using it are in dire need of love:

Yes, I also prefer truly decentralized protocols, but Signal is where it's at currently with a lot of people, and it's way better than other popular options... So, we need independent clients.

#InfoSec #FreeSoftware

@rysiek hasn't demanded people not connect third-party clients to their servers? In fact, any binaries not distributed by them (they refuse to let distribute their app). These are only two of many reasons not to support Signal with your unpaid time:

I'd recommend working on a native client for instead. They are a) already close to feature parity with Signal b) actively working towards server>server federation:

@strypey yeah, I am more interested in Briar (time to go full p2p decentralized).

I need Signal for work. It took 3 years to move 200+ journalists to Signal, I don't have 3 more years to now move them to Wire, unless Signal really fscks up big time.

@rysiek @strypey What's the motivation for Whisper doing this? Is it just security through control?

Signal does show that people will adopt the right apps. I've been pleasantly surprised how many friends and family like it.

@sullybiker @strypey signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-

tl;dr software freedom only makes sense as long as moxie remains in control

(yes, I am being bitter about this)

@rysiek @sullybiker @strypey
now that you posted this link, I feel compelled to post this response:
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@Wolf480pl @rysiek @sullybiker @strypey

For example, subscriptions to ticket trackers could be sold

You wanna open a ticket ?

You need to buy a 10$ annual subscription

Reading and triaging bugs is work and it should be payed

If that makes you outraged you are probably forgetting the "free" is intended as in freedom, not as in beer

@AbbieNormal @rysiek @sullybiker @strypey
Well, in many cases the developer would be happy if people reported the bug. You want to know when you've made a mistake, right?

Feature requests OTOH....

@Wolf480pl feature requests are also useful if you're a developer who cares about , as opposed to one who's scratching their own itch and sharing the results. What would be great is a tracker, where devs could give a time estimate for the feature, and an hourly rate, and users who want the feature could contribute until the required amount is raised. All within the same UI not on a separate site like
@AbbieNormal @rysiek @sullybiker

I agree that estimates are weak, but I can think of two possibilities that might also work: one is the devs set a price, and the other that the users set a bounty. Each has pluses and minuses. The big plus is "all within the same environment, not a separate site".

@strypey @AbbieNormal @rysiek @sullybiker

@bhaugen @Wolf480pl @strypey @rysiek @sullybiker

Those are all interesting ideas but they are a bit more complicated than what I proposed

I proposed to sell the access to the issue tracker. That's all

@bhaugen @Wolf480pl @strypey @rysiek @sullybiker

Software production is craftsmanship

What's needed to achieve targets is not measurable.

And it's not a given that users know what they want, or that they share the vision with the devs

I wouldn't overcomplicate because then implementation gets more difficult and you run into overlaps with uman issues (differences in vision, motivation)


Bug reports are contributions. You could charge people to submit patches too, but that also wouldn't make much sense. It would be better to charge users when they download pre-compiled binaries, and maybe give them a free pass if they submit detailed, helpful bug reports.
@bhaugen @Wolf480pl @rysiek @sullybiker

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