We should make #36c3 even more political, queer and feminist than #35c3 to drive those bro's away, that make it partly unsafe for people like me and minorities. I won't say make it less technical but get all kinds of people in that don't feel safe to attend yet. Flash news: feminist women can be hackers as well, we're not decoration or there for men's annoyance.

@AzureKingfisher After I have heard that the congress got less technical I have checked the fahrplan and compared it to berlin's talks.

While it is true that there's a higher amount of less technical and more political talks, there are also twice as much talks going on now. So the percentage should be about the same or increased slightly.

I am getting tired of the vulnerability muppetshow with live demo that has become the norm. I would appreciate more deeply technical defense talks. Zero days can be shown all the time, what's interesting is their impact, the overall setting and how society deals with them.

And less political? Assange has presented wikileaks in Berlin, bug-the-planet has got a talk at 28c3 and there have been many others before. So this has always been a political event.

That it is more clearly positioned against Nazis and types of exclusive and harmful behavior is good and the current congress has shown that people happily take the opportunity and build their event upon that.

There's always room for more of that. I have never considered Trolls a desirable part of anything. Good riddance then.

Seeing more feminist* hackers is awesome, there's so much to learn from them for me. Given that they have been underrepresented in the past it is pleasing for me to see more and more feminist*s speak up and find a stage. I'll happily listen to anything you have to tell, so please keep that going.

And we can offer introductory workshops for non-hacking partners and families while they are here - for any gender. The ratio of female : male humans in the kids space has been a bit off balance... But that's a different story.

@ckeen

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After the "Feminsist perspectives" talk a lot of people were honestly asking why women dont like male-dominated basements. I see how this could not be easy to understand and I think the next Congress should have a whole Feminist track.

With talks explaining why woman dont like basements. How the total lack of support / welcoming can be seen as hostile.

Someone would need to do the emotional work of explaining that, but its worth it.

@alxd @AzureKingfisher

Depends on whether there are enough people with loads of energy to do the explaining.

AFAICS groups like the Haecksen have been busy building their own village and there have been workshops, but of course targeted to *their* needs and desires.

F.U.C.K. had an assembly and workshop and have been very helpful to explain how to make our hack space more welcoming and inclusive.

I think we just need to spread the word better. There are plenty of resources and if you ask nicely at the right place and time you might get more support...

@ckeen

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I can volunteer to have a talk on Feminism in hackerspaces, or at least about the female hackers / engineers / technicians in culture and literature.

A lot of hackers worship the nerdy Dresden Codak, not seeing that the webcomic author outrightly fetishizes his female protagonist. We need to talk about womens agency in culture and in Spaces.

@alxd

That's all true. Explaining feminism as a man to other men feels weird for me though. And from the 'feminist perspective' talk it's clear that women are growing tired of doing it on demand...

I have no solution atm...

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@ckeen maybe we need genderless robots to explain feminism to men ...
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@strypey @ckeen @alxd genderless wouldn't be a concept those men would accept. As we've learned at #35c3, machines are feminine after all.

@ckeen @strypey @alxd I just watched the artistic PCB talk and what she does is awesome. <3

@ckeen @strypey @alxd the smartphone talk was great as well. I met bücherratten the day before her talk and could inspect her great phone. She really wanted me to come and watch but we ended up waiting for our food for too long.

@ckeen @strypey @alxd actually I watched it to see what everybody meant with the sexist introduction from the herold.

@AzureKingfisher @alxd @strypey Oh, do I need to rewatch this? I skipped it because the first sentences where so cringey

@ckeen @strypey @alxd it's what he said as well, e.g. pointing out "it's she, in this case".

Forgive me, I seem to have stumbled into the wrong room. Please untag me? Thanks ;-)
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@ckeen nah, my bad. I stuck my head into your conversation with a random shiptoast, and ending up cc'd into the rest of the conversation was classic ;-P

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