Matt Slater responds to the rise of the #PlatformCooperativism movement by issuing a call for #ProtocolCooperativism:
I have lot of sympathy for Matt Slater's arguments for Protocol Cooperativism. This is essentially the songbook I was singing from, since the late 90s, and throughout my time working on the Aotearoa localizations of #Indymedia and #CreativeCommons. But in hindsight, those songs were naive. As Matt points out within his own essay, capitalists have already figured out ways to dominate open networks based on open protocols (eg Microsoft's "embrace, extend, extinguish"). Ownership matters.
Have capitalists dominated the fediverse yet?
@bhaugen #SSB, like any distributed/ #P2P system, is perhaps more structurally resistant to capitalist domination than server-client systems based on publishing stuff to the web. But for many of the same reasons, it's much harder for Jo User to understand and use (and the #fediverse is already harder than #DataFarms). I mean, I haven't figured out how to install an SSB client myself yet ;-)
> But I'm not sure if and how "structurally resistant to capitalist domination" is possible.
Can you name a distributed net technology that's been used by a corporation for #DataFarming in the same way server/client architectures like the web have? Capitalist domination requires some degree of centralization, so you erect tollgates. Pure #P2P networks treat tollgates as damage and route around them.
@bhaugen yeah, I remember that from when I brought up federated social networks on the #CommonsTransition group on #Loomio ;-) I can see the value of a group like #P2PF having a token "presence" there, to make them discoverable from those outside the choir. But it seems odd to hold their main forum discussions in a FB group, instead of on Loomio or some self-hosted forum system.
@bhaugen can you tell me more about the separate of functions between "client" and "scuttlebot"? It could be that the scuttlebots count as servers, which would make SSB a server/client protocol. Or it could be that the scuttlebot is the back-end, and the "client" is the front-end, and together they make a peer in a P2P network.
@strypey yes. But it's federated like how ActivityPub is. We need learn from email
@ebel agreed, Bob and I covered that in another branch of that thread: