Today I found videos of the presentations from 'Sowing the Seeds', the 2018 conference in . Here's the playlist for day 1:
invidio.us/playlist?list=PLLwj

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Day 1 of Sowing the Seeds started off with a big picture overview by Michel Bauwens of the , and sociologist scholar and labour activist Professor Pun Ngai from the University of Hong Kong. She set out to place the movement in the context of the Chinese socialist revolution, and I'm looking forward to rewatch this video and try to understand more deeply what she was arguing:
invidio.us/watch?v=gFTfdfg000Q

@strypey Good to have this thank u. D'you have a link for Michel's recorded talk? I'm having trouble navigating the site - hadn't previously found Pun Ngai's talk.

On a different plane, there are echoes of her theme in this audioslide presentation I did with a Chinese scholar (in a quite different field) earlier this year, trying to figure 'the 3rd radical science movement' - in China? And connect with P2P-commons.
hooktube.com/9yD1sCz3aDU
Some context is sketched here
foprop.org/blog-1/p2pcommons-t

@mike_hales they've embedded the YT videos in their site. Again, I'd love to see them embedding them from their own server instead.

@strypey Yes Pun Ngai needs viewing twice! Says China is incomplete 'commonist' revolution, to be completed. Just so. But seems to still hold to 'the book' of Marx/Lenin/Mao on revolution, withering State (how!), class war. Seems old fashioned & doctrinaire to this post-post-Fordist Western socialist! Pivotally, she describes China as hugely working class (compare middle class West). Thus, strategies might be 'old' ones? Complex resonance here with Western solidarity economy perspective. Mmmnn

@mike_hales my reaction to Professor Pun's talk was similar, I did wonder if she's trying to work within the acceptable bounds of political history in China. Except that I would characterise the Chinese revolution as an anti-colonial nationalist one, clothed in "socialist" and "communist" rhetoric, which is why it's been able to pivot towards a market capitalist economy so smoothly post-Mao.

@strypey Her holding of Marxism-Leninism-Mao-Tse-Tung Thought does seem odd. But her reminder that China has the largest and most brutally driven working class forces in the the post-Fordist world is probably worth reckoning with! 'Uneven development,' and then some!

@mike_hales invidious.us is just an alternative way of viewing YT videos without using their non-free JavaScript, like used to be, before gOgle threatened to sue them and they caved. You can replace invidious.us with hooktube.com or youtube.com in the URL if it makes it easier for you to use, or you can just search for the talk titles in the invidio.us search bar.

This presentations is fascinating @mike_hales , although I have very little familiarity with any of the academic history it covers, so I'm having to paddle hard to keep up ;-)

@strypey There are so many parallel histories! 'Radical science' & 'STS' are both worlds of their own. Sorry for the paddling-hard! But it's the nature of the world? We get into activist 'fragments' and lose sight of the other work & life that we really do need to be weaving together with. That's partly why I wrote the blog - bcos the presentation itself is in a specialist 'fragment'/bubble. But I do believe the politics join up, 70s New Left and today, radical science and P2P-commons.

@mike_hales by the time I got to the end of the presentation I could definitely see why you propose that the P2P/ commons movement is the "third movement", it definitely represents a turn towards and , just as much as it does a participatory approach to software development or design. is the archetypal early example, but there are so many others, like , , , even more rebellious sites like .

@strypey I'll try to remember where I found it. It's a Firefox plugin, so I guess it was in the shop for Firefox plugins?

Ah, here it is
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef

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