Day 1 of Sowing the Seeds started off with a big picture overview by Michel Bauwens of the #P2PFoundation, and sociologist scholar and labour activist Professor Pun Ngai from the University of Hong Kong. She set out to place the #PlatformCooperative movement in the context of the Chinese socialist revolution, and I'm looking forward to rewatch this video and try to understand more deeply what she was arguing:
@strypey Good to have this thank u. D'you have a link for Michel's recorded talk? I'm having trouble navigating the site - hadn't previously found Pun Ngai's talk.
On a different plane, there are echoes of her theme in this audioslide presentation I did with a Chinese scholar (in a quite different field) earlier this year, trying to figure 'the 3rd radical science movement' - in China? And connect with P2P-commons.
Some context is sketched here
@strypey Yes Pun Ngai needs viewing twice! Says China is incomplete 'commonist' revolution, to be completed. Just so. But seems to still hold to 'the book' of Marx/Lenin/Mao on revolution, withering State (how!), class war. Seems old fashioned & doctrinaire to this post-post-Fordist Western socialist! Pivotally, she describes China as hugely working class (compare middle class West). Thus, strategies might be 'old' ones? Complex resonance here with Western solidarity economy perspective. Mmmnn
@mike_hales my reaction to Professor Pun's talk was similar, I did wonder if she's trying to work within the acceptable bounds of political history in China. Except that I would characterise the Chinese revolution as an anti-colonial nationalist one, clothed in "socialist" and "communist" rhetoric, which is why it's been able to pivot towards a market capitalist economy so smoothly post-Mao.
@strypey Her holding of Marxism-Leninism-Mao-Tse-Tung Thought does seem odd. But her reminder that China has the largest and most brutally driven working class forces in the the post-Fordist world is probably worth reckoning with! 'Uneven development,' and then some!
This presentations is fascinating @mike_hales , although I have very little familiarity with any of the academic history it covers, so I'm having to paddle hard to keep up ;-)
@strypey There are so many parallel histories! 'Radical science' & 'STS' are both worlds of their own. Sorry for the paddling-hard! But it's the nature of the world? We get into activist 'fragments' and lose sight of the other work & life that we really do need to be weaving together with. That's partly why I wrote the blog - bcos the presentation itself is in a specialist 'fragment'/bubble. But I do believe the politics join up, 70s New Left and today, radical science and P2P-commons.
@mike_hales by the time I got to the end of the presentation I could definitely see why you propose that the P2P/ commons movement is the "third movement", it definitely represents a turn towards #CitizenResearch and #CitizenScience, just as much as it does a participatory approach to software development or design. #Wikipedia is the archetypal early example, but there are so many others, like #SourceWatch, #Appropedia, #PlantsForAFuture, even more rebellious sites like #Erowid.
@strypey I'll try to remember where I found it. It's a Firefox plugin, so I guess it was in the shop for Firefox plugins?
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