Just listened to this: https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/two-cents-worth/story/2018710893/the-economic-heavyweight-bout-of-the-year - I reckon Arthur Grimes was remarkably disrespectful and dogmatic (and actually ignorant of many issues regarding NZ sustainability - 'GM ryegrass' my ass. Doesn't do a thing to mitigate darirying's unsustainable nitrogen pollution). I think Kate Raworth wiped the floor with him.
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