@be idk i've never implemented a rendering engine
probably. i bet if you implemented a rendering engine from scratch and only supported the latest standards it would be.
@marie_joseph The problem is nobody has the resources to do anything remotely like that besides Google.
@marie_joseph And it's in Google's interest to keep expanding the scope of the web to eat all of computing so that nobody else could make a modern web browser.
@marie_joseph @be let's remember that until relatively recently Chrome, which is based on Chromium (as is Brave, Edge, and many other browses) was, like Safari, built on Webkit, which was, in turn, a fork of the highly functional, community (not corporate) developed KHTML (which was originally developed for KDE's Konqueror browser)... It's only in the last couple years they've moved to Blink. So it seems there's precedent for doing it with quite miniscule backing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHTML
@marie_joseph @be KHTML is arguably the thing which broke Microsoft's toxic attempt to control the Web. Ironic that they've now given up on their own rendering engine (Trident - as I suggested they do around 2009), and adopted a KHTML derivative, too.
KHTML, and the community behind it, is a largely unsung hero... and one of the greatest (most influential) FOSS projects ever.
@marie_joseph @be Chromium is already based on a fork of Webkit called Blink... The only other rendering engine of note is Mozilla's Gecko, which is pretty old now. The great hope is/was Servo, which was meant to replace Gecko, and I believe it was what the Rust language was developed to implement - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_(software) - but it hasn't been finished...
@lightweight @be based on references to Servo here https://yoric.github.io/post/why-did-mozilla-remove-xul-addons/ it sounds like Servo is dead or at least on the back burner in favor of modernizing Gecko
@be @marie_joseph yes, which is why we (as a set of societies) can't have nice things. Our leaders don't know stuff. So we just have to make them understand it. I find that the threat of embarrassment works quite well to motivate politicians (well, it *did* up until Trump, but perhaps it still does outside the US).
@lightweight @marie_joseph Turns out that worked! https://twitter.com/waldojaquith/status/1258237201432920064
@lightweight @marie_joseph This guy has some interesting ideas...
"I am here to tell you that you can effect more positive change as a government vendor than as a helpful non-profit...
We need people whose goal isn’t an IPO and fabulous wealth, but instead to earn a nice living for themselves and everybody who works for them while making their country better by creating better technology for government."
@lightweight @marie_joseph @be I remember using Konqueror and Galeon way back around 2001. There were a lot more browser options back then. I’m wish there were other Gecko derivatives, but even Eich favoured going the Chromium route when he left Mozilla and started Brave. I’ve heard Gecko is difficult to embed, but am not sure if that’s true.
I do wonder about the future of Firefox. There are a lot of people who still want to support it, but don’t agree with what Mozilla has become over the past decade.
I think you may have hit on something … the cultures of Mozilla and Google are growing closer, and in many ways are already indistinguishable.
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