I just realised that I'm now further away in 2021 from the mass (yet incredibly lukewarm) Anti-Globalization Movement protests of 1999...

than the Baby Boomers of 1989 were from their mass (and more visible, though probably just as ineffective) student protests of 1969.

That makes me feel very old. :(

The Anti-Globalization Movement was where I got my political education, although it was mostly an education in how bad protesters could be at working together.

If you were too young to remember that brief moment sandwiched in between the end of Clintonism (with its X-Files driven conspiracy fever) and Bushism (with its anti-Islamic racism), where it became possible for Democrats to criticise other Democrats outsourcing and privatizing all the things....

Well if you play "Deus Ex: Invisible War", you'll see the Anti-Globalization Movement's feeling all over it. Seattle, Islam not being demonised, the New Age existing, "both sides are the same", etc.

Oh yeah and the World Trade Organization rather than the UN being the villains. Lol. Who in 2021 even remembers the WTO? But back in 1999, everyone suddenly discovered them as a symbol of Global Capitalism.

It's just a pity that game was crippled by being made for consoles. The story wasn't bad, it was MUCH less racist and fascist than the first Deus Ex (example: the white supremacists were the bad guys, not the good guys. The third one went back to the racism & right-wing conspiracies again.)

@natecull The WTO wasn't created untill 1995, replacing the earlier GATT (formed 1948).

The 1999 Seattle confeerence (and protests) brought the WTO to general public consciousness. It was largely below the radar before that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tr

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Sea

@dredmorbius

Yep.

But everyone's kind of forgotten the WTO again. Though the Trans-Pacific Partnership caught some of that flak back in the late Obama years.

@dredmorbius

Mind you, back at the height of the anti-WTO fervour, I suspect a chunk of the "anti" side were actually far-righters who were either

a) nationalists and not globalists - ie "paleoconservatives" vs "neoconservatives", so who saw anything "global" as "leftist" even if it was global free trade

b) uber-capitalists who thought the WTO wasn't capitalist *enough* because it wanted to put *rules* on global trade, and therefore suspected it of being a stealth EU -> UN -> COMINTERN.

@natecull The crossover between far-right and far-left is a curious element.

@dredmorbius

Yep.

I remind myself that the godfather of all fascists, Mussolini himself, started out as a Marxist.

The American right wing aren't completely wrong when they think of fascism as just another form of socialism. Not completely right either, but not completely wrong.

It's a weird old political spectrum.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_M

@natecull @dredmorbius to be fair, I know people that were once hard-core nerds who now work for the Microsoft Corporation. People change. Some people's ideals erode and/or are corrupted, and they apply their fervour to far less admirable pursuits, generally more self-interested, as they age.

@lightweight Same here (not Microsoft but Google though). But at the same time it seems important that maybe, too, threats change. Maybe these days companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon are even worse in their current age than Microsoft used to be back when "libre vs proprietary *licenses*" was the main thing...?

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@z428 @lightweight @dredmorbius

I do think that the big tech companies are a baleful influence on the world right now. They've managed to do what we hoped wouldn't happen, which is insert themselves right into the middle of the global data stream with the ability to censor the traffic. Increasingly this is now seen as 'normal'.

But thanks to OSS we've at least now got the *possibility* of running our own machines, which wasn't at all a given thing back in the 1990s. And could still change.

@natecull Yes, but we should also at least wonder whether maybe FLOSS was to some point a technology enabling big corporations do to right that, and yet still we have entities like Mozilla (living off Google ad money to some degree), we do have and embrace things such as Google Summer of Code, we welcome corporate contributions to FLOSS also in terms of full-time hired hands. We could run our own machines entirely on FLOSS yet using software that ...

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@z428 @natecull @dredmorbius we're in the unfortunate position that we're dependent on charity from corporations because they have all the $ in the system. That's because gov'ts buy from them rather than supporting for the common good (the way they pay for roads, schools, health services (not in the US), courts...). The system's badly broken because corporations have altered it to suit their interests - see davelane.nz/megacorps for more detail. .

@z428 @natecull @dredmorbius Mozilla allowing itself to become dependent on Google has proven to have been an extraordinarily ill-advised decision for which the foundation's governance people are responsible. Putting all your eggs in one basket like that is just bad governance, and FOSS can't afford to make itself dependent on a single patron's whimsy like that.

@z428 @natecull @dredmorbius Microsoft is also manoeuvring itself into similar lynch-pin roles throughout the community (see the Linux Foundation, for instance). If people don't see it coming, they have only themsvels to blame. So are other up-and-coming oppressors (Frightful Five - nytimes.com/2017/05/10/technol - wannabes) like Salesforce and Twitter.

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