The best way to pressure the FSF to sever ties with RMS is to cancel your membership/recurring donations and let the board know why.

RMS is viewed as the main driver of donations and support for the FSF, an asset as opposed to a liability. 💸 talks

@ehashman -

Assuming RMS hasn't gone and harassed anyone:

Wouldn't it be better if people put their strengths together instead of taking advantage of other's weaknesses?

I often find Stallman's approach off-putting. I'd like to see more empathy and problem solving than purist elitism.

An empathetic problem solver could prove themselves by brining new people in and encouraging effective, compassionate culture.

Kicking a man off his life's work feels like backbiting politics. Don't need more of that.

@ptvirgo @ehashman Stallman's problematic behaviour has been addressed many times and each time he's doubled down rather than reflecting on his behaviour.

It's not about kicking him off his life's work. It's about asking an organisation to prioritize representing the people he's alienated or harmed rather siding with him.

@gid

one thing I find frustrating is that there *have* been things he was called on, after which he did modify his schtick

just not lately

@ptvirgo @ehashman

@deejoe @gid @ehashman

I "violently" agree that
RMS makes too many mistakes to last forever.

But I think his weakness is a lack of empathy. I want his replacement to have a *lot* of empathy.

Enough empathy to say "let's be nice to the old guard as they retire."

Someone who says "it's not about pushing him out," while still pushing him out, seems likely to develop more of the same problems.

We need people who care enough to care about the effects of their actions, regardless of their justification.

@ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I strongly agree with Matthew Garrett in that I don't want to see RMS replaced; we need to remove the necessity of having a single figurehead leader in the free software community: mjg59.dreamwidth.org/52587.htm

@ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I think the problem here is not "RMS should be replaced" but that somebody should just do it.

Last time I heard RMS talking he seemed to be kind of angry and tired and he explicitly asked others to carry this thing on instead of him.

I don't think he insists to be the only one, he just happens to be a prominent figure of the free software movement

@saper @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I've heard him call for others to spread the message years ago in some of his talks.

It seems people don't feel the need to while he's still up there. But more people would cover more ground.

@alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I think the problem is something else: with all shortcomings RMS lives the way he preaches. I will be much less convinced by somebody giving their Free Software, Free Society presentation with slides coming out of their MacBook. I feel guilty typing this on an iPad myself.

@saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid yup, for all his faults, he lived his principles. That's why he's been the leader for so long. Others would likely dilute that. But I hope a worthy new leader will come forward. (Microsoft certainly doesn't want that, though!)

@lightweight @saper @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid All I can say is that if I'm ever given the chance to give a presentation, you won't have that issue with me.

I love elementary OS! And I'm hoping to replace my iPhone with a Librem 5 soon.

@alcinnz @lightweight @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid many of us try to switch... and we either don't have a platform to switch to or we can't give up using the gadget. I don't think Librem will have a free software radio interface (baseband). RMS simply refuses to use a mobile phone. "Easy".

@saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid the thing RMS has done is to a) show us it can be done (and understand the trade-offs) and b) gives us an ideal of consistency to strive for. We all have different priorities. I still have a few minor niggling proprietary dependencies, but *very* few compared to anyone else I know... it's all relative.

@lightweight @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid that's fine but this is not what Stallman was saying. I frankly do not think it will be a good thing to replace one person with few people delivering watered-down message.

Funny, I never considered myself a true hard core stallmanist

@saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid don't worry, I'm a strong supporter of Stallman's commitment to Free Software and I am disgusted by the "guilt by accusation" mob approach his detractors took.

@lightweight

It's too bad people have to continually conflate support for free software with support for him.

Some of us support his free software work while recognizing and acknowledging his weaknesses.

So, when you refer to his "detractors" do you mean anyone who might criticize him about anything? Do you mean for him to be accepted and rejected in all-or-nothing fashion?

@saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid

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@deejoe @saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid detractors wasn't the best word choice - people who condemned him (falsely) based on a very superficial reading of hearsay from others. He unwisely says things that involve a highly charged topic that are easily misconstrued. But there's no indication he participated in any crimes.

@lightweight

if you think him not guilty of crimes you might want to avoid bringing words like 'guilt' and 'crimes' into the discussion

one can be wrong, and unfit for a role, without it being a crime

@saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid

@deejoe @saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid indeed - however, the coverage of this entire debacle has been very fluid in its innuendo. It's crucial to clarify the place of those concepts in all this.

@deejoe @saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid ideally, I would've wanted people close to him to encourage him to step down from his organisational leadership and promotional roles a while ago, while maintaining his thought leadership (in which he is peerless). The way this went down is an indictment on social media and the way it enables mob rule.

@deejoe @saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid the leaders of that mob were very mean spirited, and I think will eventually be mortified by how they're celebrated by the proprietary corporations whose dirty work they did for them. They eliminated the main barrier to GAFAM's full co-option (EEE) of . (which they only ever refer to as - they never mention Freedom, because they're working hard to kill it)

@deejoe @saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid freedom isn't optimally profitable. They want a population of good little proprietary hostages locked in like dairy cows, waiting to be milked.

@lightweight @deejoe @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @gid I managed to got to the bottom of few past accusations of Stallman and I had to conclude that he got at least misunderstood or got willfully misinterpreted. This time a Medium story tries to equate the deeds of three men based on fragile association. I don't want RMS to be put on a pedestal or protected because "free software is dear to us", but I insist that he has to be treated fairly. But that's not going to stop the mob. I'm out of this.

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